Posts by joey jojo

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Great biblical history discussion with Richard Dawkins

by joey jojo in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21noquktb8q.

this may have been posted here at some stage but for anyone that missed it please enjoy..

joey jojo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21NoQuKTB8Q

This may have been posted here at some stage but for anyone that missed it please enjoy.

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My friend the 'Super-Dub.'

by joey jojo in

i speak semi-regularly to an old friend of mine who i would describe as a super-dub.. he knows i am inactive but over the years i have peppered him with a lot of questions about the org.

that i hoped would make him at least pause and think somewhat rationally about the reality of being a jw in this brave new- post gb 2.0 world.. we have discussed everything from the generation changes, to the u.n. , failed prophecy, flip flops, the reduction in size of the wt magazine, the closing/ consolidation of bethels including lay-offs, jw broadcasting, cart witnessing- etc, etc.. what do i mean by super-dub?

he is a born-in, has missionary parents, he reg.

joey jojo

@Steve2,

I think I just like pushing his buttons.

:-)

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One Question to ask any JW that will blow their end times out of the water

by maccauk in

ask any jw this one question.

are there any apostles from the 1st century still walking the earth alive today ?.

100% will say there are no apostles from the 1st century alive today.

joey jojo

I always thought it was just jw's that struggled to understand which period of time is ' the last days '.

There are as many different theories as there are agendas for believing one or the other.

Asserting the end times didn't occur in the first century is great for membership of modern adventist religions.

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My friend the 'Super-Dub.'

by joey jojo in

i speak semi-regularly to an old friend of mine who i would describe as a super-dub.. he knows i am inactive but over the years i have peppered him with a lot of questions about the org.

that i hoped would make him at least pause and think somewhat rationally about the reality of being a jw in this brave new- post gb 2.0 world.. we have discussed everything from the generation changes, to the u.n. , failed prophecy, flip flops, the reduction in size of the wt magazine, the closing/ consolidation of bethels including lay-offs, jw broadcasting, cart witnessing- etc, etc.. what do i mean by super-dub?

he is a born-in, has missionary parents, he reg.

joey jojo

I speak semi-regularly to an old friend of mine who I would describe as a Super-Dub.

He knows I am inactive but over the years I have peppered him with a lot of questions about the org. that I hoped would make him at least pause and think somewhat rationally about the reality of being a JW in this brave new- post GB 2.0 world.

We have discussed everything from the generation changes, to the U.N. , failed prophecy, flip flops, the reduction in size of the WT magazine, the closing/ consolidation of bethels including lay-offs, JW broadcasting, cart witnessing- etc, etc.

What do I mean by Super-Dub? He is a born-in, has missionary parents, he reg. pioneered straight out of high school, went to bethel, became an elder, married a reg pioneer sister and home- schooled his kids, who are now pioneering.

Although this guy is a rusted-on JW., I am sometimes surprised how far he lets me push things in our conversations.

I always approached our conversations from the point of view that everything I asked was sincere and genuine and not from a critical one. I told him I cannot, with good conscience go from door to door and tell people we have the 'truth' , especially about the dates of the last days, when the 'truth' we have now is not the same as it was a few years ago. I asked him why his conscience allowed him to, because to a person at the door, isn't it bringing reproach upon Gods name if we are telling lies while claiming to represent him?

We have talked for hours and hours over the years about stuff like this. Interestingly, I have come to realise that not only has he never really 'heard' my side of the story, he always seemed to ascribe only good things to the GB, even when they are clearly wrong. One of his favourite sayings is, 'to question the GB, is to question Jehovah'. ( I know right).

I have tried to use logical, well- rounded reasoning , much of it from this website, every time we spoke and I always avoided raising my voice in frustration, although he would often do so when he couldn't explain something.

It has been said many times on this web-site but I'll say it again. It doesn't matter if you have over-whelming proof in your hand that a teaching is not accurate. All it comes down to is this question- 'do you believe that GB and the faithful and discreet slave are Gods representatives in charge of his belongings on earth today'?

This question negates any need for a dub to think through a problem or doubt. With this mind-set, the most genuine and sensible question you ask may be treated as an attack on his faith, the org. that he loves and has staked his life, and the life of his children- sometimes literally, on. The GB are always right and have Gods approval- even when they are wrong.

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the 2018 Annual Report

by no-zombie in

i have a bad feeling that the annual report in the form that we can analytically use, will no longer be available.

according the post agm letter, it said "this information will be published in the 'about us' section of jw.org" however when you go to that page, there are already a country by country listing of statistics.

the problem is that, the numbers displayed at the moment are not the whole story we used to get.

joey jojo

no-zombie,

Interesting post because I think many have speculated on this forum over the years that the org will eventually stop publishing certain 'inconvenient' figures.

The increasing number of memorial partakers might be something they will be happy not to promote.

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JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

joey jojo

Please explain how the Egyptian Empire existed before and after the flood of Noahs day.

Why did the Egyptians fail to record the event?

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Is 1975 explicitly written in old publications ?

by SlappySlap in

i've been hearing about 1975 for decades but i've never found a publication where this date is explicitly written.. do somebody have references ?.

joey jojo

Finkelstein:

'The WTS has been a organization of commercialized false prophesying and false doctrines..'

That's a beautifully concise sentence.

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God of the Old Testament

by unsure in

to those on these forums who are christian and or to those who believe in the god of the old testament; how does one overcome many of the questionable actions god took or allowed to happen in the old testament?.

many if not most of us have heard of criticisms of the god of the old testament.

you can find these criticisms on many websites.. how do you explain to an honest hearted person why god acted the way they did?.

joey jojo

@David_Jay,

Thx for your reply. I didn't know the health problem you had, so I appreciate even more the fact that you took the time to write it.

I will keep taking onboard knowledge of this interesting subject. :-)

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God of the Old Testament

by unsure in

to those on these forums who are christian and or to those who believe in the god of the old testament; how does one overcome many of the questionable actions god took or allowed to happen in the old testament?.

many if not most of us have heard of criticisms of the god of the old testament.

you can find these criticisms on many websites.. how do you explain to an honest hearted person why god acted the way they did?.

joey jojo

Hi again @David_Jay.

Thx once again for your reply and I'm sorry it was under duress :). Hope you are feeling better.

I probably deserved that e-spanking you gave me but please be assured my questions and comments were a sincere attempt to understand a little more about the Jewish faith.

What I meant by disappointment was the revealing of the Messiah over the centuries. My (limited) understanding is that there have been various 'Messiahs' or nearly "Messiahs' that have come and gone. Do Jews feel that the Messiah is overdue?

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God of the Old Testament

by unsure in

to those on these forums who are christian and or to those who believe in the god of the old testament; how does one overcome many of the questionable actions god took or allowed to happen in the old testament?.

many if not most of us have heard of criticisms of the god of the old testament.

you can find these criticisms on many websites.. how do you explain to an honest hearted person why god acted the way they did?.

joey jojo

@David_Jay,

Thanks for replying to my post.

It seems to me that the picture you are painting of the Jewish culture is one of constantly shifting ideas. It almost feels like the Jews themselves have spent 5000 yrs trying to crystallise the meanings of their own writings. ( I use the words writings instead of 'beliefs' because you suggest the Jews don't 'believe' anything. :) )

I really hate to say this - and please forgive me if I am over-simplifying, it reminds me of a printing company that had a lot of expectations that it published to the world, and when these expectations weren't fulfilled, they frantically moved the goal-posts around and over-complicated something that should be straight-forward.

Having said that, Jewish girls are pretty hot. (Wonder Woman, I'm talking about you.)